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UPDATED: Arrest Following Overnight Stabbing on Water Street

Milford police have arrested a 23-year-old man following a stabbing early Saturday.

Milford police have arrested a 23-year-old man and charged him with the stabbing of another man at 23 Water St.

David Segundo Dutan-Guaman, 23, is charged with armed assault in a dwelling, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, and two outstanding warrants that were unrelated to the crime. Dutan-Guaman is being held at Milford Police headquarters on $5,000 cash bail.

According to police, officers responded at 2:19 a.m. to a reported disturbance at 23 Water St. Upon arrival, officers discovered a 21-year-old man had been stabbed. He was found a short distance away on Oliver Street after police followed a trail of blood that led from the suspect's apartment.

The victim received a stab wound to the tricep area of his arm. He was treated at Milford Regional Medical Center and transferred to UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worceter. His condition is not considered life threatening, police said.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has initiated an investigation to determine whether Dutan-Guaman is living in the U.S. illegally and is subject to removal, and has issued an immigration detainer notice.

This means that should be be released, he will be held by ICE.

Jim Rizoli February 20, 2012 at 07:33 PM
David...Your trust of the police hasn't worked out so well for the town so far.... Three deaths in a few years. Yikes! Not to mention all the peripheral stuff going on. I don't blame the police directly, but if they had this track record working for a big cooperation and they were hired to maintain law and order in the company, I would think they would of been fired by now. The company wouldn't take any excuses, just results. The police basically are there to contain things. So do you honestly think they're containing things. They are expo facto.....when the damage is done they come on the scene, better known as collateral damage. I wouldn't feel to safe with that being the case. Jim@ccfiile.com
David Nolta February 20, 2012 at 08:00 PM
Jim, in my own experience in Milford, the police have been vastly helpful. They have de-fused potentially dangerous and ugly situations over and over again. They cannot run around arresting people because you, Jim Rizoli, think those people look like they might be criminals (remember that video? I'm sure you do). Nor is it for you, Jim Rizoli, to define what the police "are there" to do. "Ex post facto" is the phrase--and I know how you hate it when I say anything about spelling or grammar, but I really think it would help YOUR arguments if you paid a little more attention to that--seriously, I am honestly trying to help you when I make such a suggestion! Clarity will help you! (And remember, "of" never follows "would" ... )
Jim Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 12:09 AM
David....The police are doing great job! As the body count keeps adding up. Whatever they have to do to stop the body count, do it. What they are doing now is NOT working. Maybe we need Abe Lincoln's No Habeus Corpus here. jim@ccfiile.com
Mary MacDonald (Editor) February 21, 2012 at 12:49 AM
"The body count" you're referring to is someone's friend, son, brother, neighbor in Milford. Please choose your words more carefully, Jim. If you want to argue effectively: have something in your quiver besides hot air. What have you done Jim, besides post opinion on Patch in Framingham and Milford, to make these towns more livable? You are a selectmen's candidate, aren't you? What have you done. I would like to know, besides posting your opinion, on what everyone in Mlford is not doing? Have you formed a neighborhood watch? Are you volunteering somewhere to correct problems before they get transformed into crime? Are you actually going to a courthouse and monitoring cases? All of these are efforts I've seen happen in other cities, by other people who were upset by crime.
Joe Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 02:09 AM
Mary, speaking not for Jim but about Jim. What has Jim been TRYING to do? He's run for Selectmen twice. State Rep twice. He's a Town Meeting member now, Precinct chair precinct 14. He's on the Ways and Means Committee, one of the MOST important committees in the town. He was on the overcrowding committee established BECAUSE of the illegal immigrants in the town. He's been interviewed by most of the local TV stations about the Illegal Immigration problem. He has been part of our TWO cable shows totaling six hours of play time per week talking about the issues dealing with illegal immigration and other ill's of our town not to mention our country. Been interviewed by NPR radio, Brazilian TV, that was sent out to over fifty million people. Brazilian newspapers. He and I have made KNOWN our views on what to do to start to fix the Illegal alien problem in our town MANY times but our message to the fix has been IGNORED. We have educated the public since 2003 on HOW the Illegals come here to the point where the newspapers finally started listening to us in articles written years later. NOBODY believed us when we talked about the money these immigrants spent to come here. They laughed, they are not laughing now. We have never BEEN PROVEN WRONG IN ANYTHING we have said. NOW towns like Milford and Framingham are suffering the consequences of deaths and the monetary up keep to deal with the problem. He has been to the courthouse seeing the revolving door policy to the Illegals......
Mary MacDonald (Editor) February 21, 2012 at 02:15 AM
No offense Joe, but we've been hearing him talk about this here, in the comment stream, nonstop for six months. He's quick to criticize Milford. So what has he done in Framingham? Not talked about, what has he done? What policy has been changed? What action has been taken? What are the results? I'm curious as to whether there is a model in another small town for handling the impacts of immigration.
Joe Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 02:33 AM
continued.... In going to the court he has found out that the courts do NOT care about the immigration status of these people who get caught for insurance and license violations. They are slapped on the wrist, paying a 300 dollar fine and let go to drive again or leave the area under another assumed name and license. Probably 60% of the courts cases dealing with license violations are because of illegal immigrants. This is causing a huge burden for the court system and obviously a financial problem for the Commonwealth. That's what Jim has learned from going to the courts not to mention the Domestic problems the illegals are having also in our courts with each other. So Mary what else do you want Jim to do? Most here on this PATCH just post and get writers cramp. We have been out in the trenches and all some can do here is insult our grammar, spelling and tone. When it gets to that point you know we have made our point and it can't be disputed. We joined the Milford PATCH trying to encourage you all to get more involved and get your town of its behinds to do something. You can't blame the Rizolis for your towns inactivity in this issue. We are only trying to help you to do more. My brother and I have seriously stopped some of the things the Illegals wanted to do in Framingham. We had a Sister City program with Brazil that seems to have ended. Some of the major players for the Illegals are gone, moved out of town because of us. What more can we do? Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 05:30 AM
Mary....Jim here.....I've brought two articles to Town Meeting...one had to do with businesses that hire illegals and the other how the slectemen should be more srtict on those who opens up a business in the town. The first one was to make sure businesses hired only workers that have been approved by the U.S. Govt. to work here. The second one was with making the Selectmen more strict on who they allowed to open up a business in the town. Pretty straight forward artilces that would have put a damper on illegal aliens working in the town. Believe it or not both articles were rejected! So what do you want me to do stand on my head? When TMMembers vote to alow illegal aliens to open a business up and hire illegals things to continue to work in a town...then all is lost....more.....
Jim Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 05:37 AM
One victory of sorts was me working on the overcrowding committee, at least it brought attention to overcrowiding issues but the town officials on the board with me were very liberal on the issues and could of done more but they didn't. To alleviate the overcrowding issue the town building dept did stepped up inspections. The overcrowding problem got so bad they had to intitute one side of the street parking, because the illegals had so many cars they made the streets impassible to emergency vehicles, snow plows etc.. when they parked on both sides. What really lessen the problem was our being there to speak up against the illegals when they tried to influence others to allow their illegals activities to continue. We would always be there to oppose them at every turn they made. That made them uncomfortable and many ended up leaving. So when the pressure was put on them things happen. Of course the slump in the economy had a hand in this too. So Mary...what can be learned here....just keep up the pressure and SPEAK out when you see injustices in the town. We might be an Army of TWO but we accomplished a lot. if more of the town got involved it would of been even better. All in all...it all falls down upon them as they will end up paying for it all, in the form of higher taxes, crime, and a host of other issues. Jim@ccfiile.com
David Nolta February 21, 2012 at 06:27 AM
This is fascinating--fifteen years ago I worked successfully to have one-side street parking put in place on my street, but it had nothing to do with illegals--it had to do with cars. How does Jim know if a car is owned or operated by an illegal? In other words, how can anyone say that the traffic problem is due to illegal vehicles? Was this proved by the stepping up of inspections referred to here? But it was still a parking regulation that was effected, and due to traffic, and enforced for all, not only illegals, right? And when Jim's "army" goes "to speak up against the illegals"--how do they distinguish the illegals from the legals? These are serious questions. And NO, my asking them does not mean I am for illegal immigration. But I will say that there is far too much "they" and "them" in your post again, Jim. ("We would always be there to oppose them at every turn they made." "So when the pressure was put on them things happen." etc., etc.). Such behavior sounds reckless to me--how do you know you're targeting illegals? Do "they" stand up and say "we are illegals"? They haven't done that in Milford that I know of. And what is this "pressure" you exert? I mean, practically speaking, what does it consist of?
Jim Calarese February 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Ok, this thread has deteriorated from discussion of crime in Milford to a p---ing contest between two of Patch's heavy contributors. Time to end the discussion!
Milfud February 21, 2012 at 01:45 PM
I don't always agree with Jim Rizoli, but I do believe he has stepped forward in his own town to try to make a difference. I know it has not made him a popular man, and I am not defending him here, but he has made his feelings known and acted on those beliefs. I also agree this discussion has probably run it's course. Unfortunately I am sure we will have another situation in Milford soon enough that we can all argue about. (groan)
Joe Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 03:04 PM
Come on David. The parking problems in my opinion ARE the results of the "illegals". In Framingham in those wonderful parts of town where THEY live people were parking on the lawns. This was the result of THESE people living by the carloads in apartments in THESE area of Towns INCLUDING my area. So David stop this crap about how do we know who they are. The situations exist, it didn't happen overnight. A clean sweep needs to be done using the license readers . The police can easily do it but they are to lazy having coffee at Dunkin Donuts. I am sick of hearing you message "how do we know their illegal" crap. Our Town manager used that stupidity. How do you know when you're sick? You know David, the symtons are plain as day. The people know who are in the neighborhoods. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Stop side tracking the issue . Joe
Jim Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 03:29 PM
David....The citizens have to be more vocal. You have to call the illegals out on the carpet. When they open up a business you have to be there to stop them. Illegals are prohibited from working in the U.S., so owning a business and hiring other illegals is definitely not right. So go to the Selectmen s meetings and see what businesses are coming into the town. Believe me you will get the picture of who is not illegal when they come before the board of Selectmen. Having interpreters with them is a good sign. In regards to parking we never had a problem before they came here, and please explain to me, what do I call them. David......... the towns have pretty much lost the battle, but WE continue to fight the battle in the trenches. I'd rather be fighting and losing than on my knees letting them hold a gun to my head or in some cases a knife to my throat. No surrender! Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 04:15 PM
David...You're right again, as usual, there are NO illegals aliens anywhere. The cars just happened to appear in my dreams, the courts cases with all the illegals isn't happening either. Here's the deal....If any of you folks from Milford want to get together and have meeting about this please get in touch with me. I can rent out the library in Framingham or meet somewhere else, and we can have a pow wow to discuss it. So far our towns haven't been so forth coming about it and we continue to have issues dealing with illegals. David you can come too, but you might be bored. Sorry WE have to run....have an interview with a Boston University woman who wants to talk about immigration issues...again. Have done this several times with them. Jim@ccfiile.com 508-875-0835
David Nolta February 21, 2012 at 04:17 PM
Jim, an interpreter is not proof of illegality. But even then, if it were only people who used an interpreter that you went after, that might at least limit to some extent the damage from the reckless actions you condone. You are not in a trench. You have a very romantic and biased image of yourself but it comes off as heavy-handed, illogical, and potentially illegal (to say the least). NOW focus: do you or do you not know that the cars that caused the parking were owned and operated by illegals? How many of the too-many cars belonged to illegals, and how many to legals? HOW did you find out these things? What did the follow-up entail--how did you get the one-side parking put in place? How did it affect the number of illegals in your town, and how do you know that? These are all practical questions, of the sort that Mary touched upon in her earlier comments. As it stands your logic is circular and deeply flawed: "They" came, we all knew who "they" were, and "they" parked and we from our trench "fought the battle" and some of "them" left. Not practical--not a credible explanation of clear and USEFUL actions. A sort of haze, really.
David Nolta February 21, 2012 at 04:26 PM
Jim, you see, you depend on a pretend David, one whom you've invented (like so many things), and one who, conveniently for your arguments, thinks there are no illegals. But I know that there are illegals, and I know that there are many problems caused and exacerbated by illegals, in my town and elsewhere. It's our methods, and our understanding of the law, and the complexity of the situation that we cannot seem to agree on. From everything I have seen (from that video on...), I must say that your methods seem unacceptable. You judge people based on looks and names, you "go after people" in a reckless way that sounds like bullying (and stalking...), you judge people based on instinct and without actual evidence, you advocate a lack of thoroughness in prosecuting offenders that is counter to legal procedure and to common sense, you claim a role and a history that are self-serving and imaginary, and you use religious quotations and fear tactics to try to convince people that you are always right. WHY?
David Nolta February 21, 2012 at 04:26 PM
No surrender is right!!!
Jim Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 04:42 PM
David..we're at Macdonadls in Ashland as I type being interviewed. Jim@ccfiile.com
David Nolta February 21, 2012 at 04:45 PM
Do NOT eat a Big Mac--I've "researched" that, and you don't want it!
Joe Rizoli February 21, 2012 at 08:07 PM
To late, Jim ate a big Mac and now is hallucinating, he agrees with David Nolta on everything....You're right, there was something in that Big-Mac. Jim and I got interviewed by a BU student involved in a Journalism class. We went through the whole gamett explaining the whole illegal immigrant story. I guess that web site of ours really comes in handy.... I actually audio recorded the whole hour and a half interview. I'll see if I can get it up online. Joe Rizoli
Jessi February 21, 2012 at 08:10 PM
FYI- I work at a real estate office in frankin and there is no way to tell when you rent a apartment to someone if they are here illegally or if they are here on a valid visa. Only immigration at the fed level has that info and it is not available for the public..
Joe Rizoli February 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM
Jessi makes this comment: >>FYI- I work at a real estate office in frankin and there is no way to tell when you rent a apartment to someone if they are here illegally or if they are here on a valid visa. Only immigration at the fed level has that info and it is not available for the public..>> Nonsense, all YOU have to do is ask them. Is that too hard? They WILL tell you. As to David let me ask you this. Two women are in McDonald's. They have head scarfs all around their heads even wrapped around their necks hanging down. What religion are they? More hints. They are talking like people from Iran or Iraq. what are they? You're right Dave, they are Southern Bells......NOT. They are Muslims. You just judged a person by their looks. Believe me David it can happen with illegals. Unless it's you of course. You can't tell. Most of the time I can. I have a friend who is even more perceptive than me. His ex-wife is a Brazilian. He can tell a Brazilian woman just by mannerisms. It's incredible. So it can be done David, of course except by you. Last point. You mention parking problems 15 years ago. Earth to David. We started our Immigration group in 2003. I have newspaper articles showing the Brazilians taking over our streets for soccer game wins in 1998. Add it up David. That was the PEAK of the illegals in the area for them, Some say 65 a DAY came into Framingham,.... A DAY. So your CONCERNS about the parking fits OUR timeline almost to the year. Thank you. Joe Rizoli
David Nolta February 22, 2012 at 03:32 AM
That makes sense, Jessi, by which I mean and understand that it is currently a Federal responsibility. And so it follows that it would be wrong for the local police, for instance, to target potential renters based on their surnames or appearance. Just as it would be wrong for a real estate representative to deny a rental or purchase based on the suspicion (itself based on a surname, or skin-color, or physical size, or costume or speech or etc.) of illegality. So again, it is the Federal Government to which we should turn for assistance with our concerns. If they are slow or lax, we must express our disapproval in the voting booth, and in the other usual, wise and above-board ways (telephone calls, petitions, etc.). If we want to improve the enforcement of those laws broken when people come or stay here illegally, we must expect to pay for that in taxes. But we must not simply bypass the proper legal channels, and we must not discriminate against people based on our instincts, suspicions, and prejudices... I can't imagine anything more un-American that.
David Nolta February 22, 2012 at 03:42 AM
11:17 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 In my neighborhood, there were too many cars parked on both sides of the street. I often found my car blocked into my driveway--not acceptable, and in fact infuriating. So I went to the police and to the town leaders, and showed pictures of the ongoing problem, and they believed there was a problem, and they made the parking one-side only. The question of the legality of some of the parkers never came up. So why, in your experience, was it somehow all about the illegals, the way everything that comes up (from library directors to moon landings) is always about illegals? Again, serious question, Jim. Don't get all angry and general, just think about the question.
Joe Rizoli February 22, 2012 at 06:58 AM
This comment: >>And so it follows that it would be wrong for the local police, for instance, to target potential renters based on their surnames or appearance.>> Absolutely true. But you can ask a simple question to these people. Are you a legal resident of this country? For businesses, do you as a business owner comply with the laws of residency and do your employees comply with all federal and state laws as to residency? Pretty simple David. It has nothing to do with what you look like. In Mexico the police can stop ANYBODY and ask them for their papers. If you are NOT in harmony with their rules as to being a LEGAL visitor of that country you can be deported immediately. Same applies here. You have the right as the Declaration of Independence says to: "SAFETY" and "HAPPINESS": Having Illegal Aliens run people over and murder and kill you does nothing for your SAFETY and HAPPINESS. Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; http://www.immivasion.us/art4sect4/art4sect4.html Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli February 22, 2012 at 02:21 PM
Hmmmm, let me understand this....The illegals break all sorts of our LAWS and we can't ask them simple questions like what's up? Gee, we might hurt their feelings! I'm curious whose country is this? Yup...The foxes have taken over the Hen House....again. No surrender....but it sure seems the battle is lost. Jim@ccfiile.com
UglyHat February 22, 2012 at 02:52 PM
David is right that it is the federal government’s responsibility to address this. Trafficking of illegal drugs is also the responsibility of the federal government. Why do they allow local law enforcement to deal with drugs but not illegal immigrants? Answer – illegal immigrants have families here that can vote. This administration has no interest in slowing the tide of illegal immigration. They want the votes. The republicans do not want to do anything about it either – they want cheap labor. In the meantime, we have thousands of people that don’t obey our laws and aren’t punished or held financially liable. Instead they are supported by social programs intended to support Americans. I don’t know what to do about it other than vote against those that work against us. This problem will not be solved anytime soon.
David Nolta February 22, 2012 at 04:11 PM
UglyHat, pretty reasonable and well-stated, as usual, even if the simple fact of having family here doesn't explain the situation comprehensively from my point of view (I'm sure it plays a role, but I don't think that can be the only reason for the difference in enforcement policies you describe. I think that the fact that a majority of illegals are presumed to be engaged in less dangerous activities than, to use your example, drug trafficking, makes them less a priority for overworked police. Just my guess.). Though the Secure Communities program starts next year, right? And that should allow a little more leeway to the local authorities--accent on AUTHORITIES--not just anybody who feels like it... I for one do not want to have a bunch of numskulls running around vigilante-style and "cracking down" on people they don't like the looks or sounds of. Frankly that's worse than the behavior of most of the illegals I know about. I'm also glad you recognize this as a bi-partisan problem.
UglyHat February 22, 2012 at 04:23 PM
Agreed, I don’t want vigilantes or numskulls either. I just want rules that everyone understands applied, judged and enforced equally. No favorites. No black lists. No exceptions for the rich and powerful. It really doesn't seem that hard - but it is.

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