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Chief: Police are to Protect 'Every Person'

A Milford church with a predominantly Latino congregation hosted a forum Thursday featuring Police Chief Thomas O'Loughlin, who emphasized that he expects police officers to protect all residents.

A forum on immigration, featuring the , drew a mixed group of longtime residents and recent immigrants to Thursday, for a "peaceful dialogue" on a politically charged issue.

More than 50 people attended the forum, including the families of and , two Milford men who were killed in collisions with drivers who, police say, were illegal immigrants.

The meeting was organized by pastors Hector and Monsi Quinones of Freedom Life Church, which draws a predominantly Spanish-speaking congregation to its downtown services. Addressing the audience, Hector Quinones said the purpose was "to take a moment to have a peaceful dialogue. This is an important night. It's necessary."

The forum had been expected to draw larger numbers of attendees from the Ecuadorian community, but only a few appeared. Hector Quinones said "there were some concerns from a certain portion of the Ecuadorian community of how they would be received, or how their presence would be interpreted here."

Police Chief Thomas O'Loughlin, who was invited to speak by the church, addressed several questions, including some that focused on , and relations between the police department and the immigrant communities in Milford.

"My responsibility is not to enforce immigration laws," O'Loughlin said. "That's the responsibility of the federal government. It's not a local or a state responsibility, it's a federal responsibility."
Local police, he said, as best they are able, are required "to assure the safety of the people of Milford and their property. That's every person."

Although no one has made a specific complaint, O'Loughlin said he has learned, through media outlets, that some of the Ecuadorians living in town have experienced harrassment in recent weeks.

As he explained, someone shouting out a window "Go home!" is using speech protected by the First Amendment. If that person yelled "Go home or I'll beat you up," O'Loughlin said: "That's illegal."

Police are aware of the tension, he said, and encourage anyone with a problem to contact them. The department has officers and detectives who speak Spanish and or Portuguese. Attending the forum, with O'Loughlin, was Carlos Sousa, a detective fluent in all three languages.

For the most part, people attending the forum listened without asking questions. Among those who did was an Ecuadorian construction worker, Jonathan Leon. He referred to the case involving Nicolas Guaman, an Ecuadorian who is charged with several offenses relating to the Aug. 20 death of Matthew Denice.

Leon, through Monsi Quinones, acting as an interpreter, told Chief O'Loughlin that what his countryman did "is something that is making it very difficult for those of us who are Ecuadorian" and who love this country. He asked the chief why there appears to be "an increased number of pullovers" for those who appear to look Ecuadorian.

showing no increase since the death of Denice in police issuing citations for people driving without a license. "The numbers don't bear out the perception," O'Loughlin said.

Officers can pull people over if they have probable cause that a violation has occurred. But the vehicle stops are not being done based on ethnicity, he said, or people's appearances.

"I could stand out here on this corner, for eight hours a day," and if I pulled over every driver who I thought was Ecuadorian and driving without a license, O'Loughlin said: "We'd probably have a road block. It's not done."

Jim Rizoli September 26, 2011 at 06:02 PM
David, I think you're losing it..... Let me spell it out for you so you don't miss the point.... 80%-90% of Ecuadorians, Hondurans, Brazilians ANYONE from South America, and don't forget Mexico are ILLEGAL. Those from Europe are another stroy because they come here by plane and have to go through more security checks. ANYONE who is here from South America are most likely illegal. They walk over the border and there are those that do come by plane also but those are the VISA over-stayers. That is against the law too you know.....They also are prohibited from working in the USA. So that's my speal on that issue...and you can take that to the bank, but watch out there, you might bump into a group of illegals pulling their money out to send back home. They wouldn't want to spend their money here to help our economy...LOL
David Nolta September 26, 2011 at 06:26 PM
Thanks Bob. I hate to give up on anybody. And I just know that if people would stop and think they would see that these questions about immigration are really very complicated. This blog is proof that some people want immediate, simple answers to serious, complex problems, problems involving HUMAN BEINGS. Some people want to blame one political party or one or two elected officials or the local police chief for everything. These people seem to fall into easy traps of stereotyping and, as you say, bigotry. But thanks for the vote of confidence!
mary ellen burke September 26, 2011 at 06:27 PM
Anyone taking bets on this guys nationality? http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0926marshfield_manhunt_nabs_murder_suspect/srvc=home&position=4
mary ellen burke September 26, 2011 at 06:31 PM
Immigration is not complicated and does not need new laws. It just needs ENFORCEMENT of existing laws. Have you taken a look at Britain since they opened the borders- perhaps you just didn't recognize it?Same with France, Holland and various other Euro debacles. Keep your head in the sand until it directly impacts you beyond your pocketbook.
David Nolta September 26, 2011 at 06:48 PM
Oh yes, immigration is complicated. For example, how do we handle the children of illegals, born in this country, who, according to the law, are as legal as you or I? How do we handle people who have fled here from the threat of starvation or violence--the latest in a long line of such people going back two hundred years? How do we recognize these illegals? You don't think that's complicated? It's complicated, and because living human beings are involved, justice demands that these issues be handled humanely and thoughtfully.
mary ellen burke September 26, 2011 at 06:58 PM
Obviously they don't have children or grandchildren or the education they are receiving in schools overrun with competing languages would make them furious. Language gaps plague Mass. schools " Too many Massachusetts teachers are unprepared to teach students whose native language is other than English. The US Justice Department accurately sees this as a civil rights concern and is demanding that the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education do something about it........... " "This problem isn’t going away. Non-native speakers are among the fastest growing student populations in the state. Educators need to become conversant - and quickly -" http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2011/09/25/language-gaps-plague-schools-more-teacher-training-needed/cZGAPWZpl4kXl8Bi7SnjzO/story.xml "Too many Massachusetts teachers are unprepared to teach students whose native language is other than English. The US Justice Department accurately sees this as a civil rights concern and is demanding that the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education do something about it. It should, but the ultimate solution will lie with school systems and teachers making a commitment to training." "This problem isn’t going away. Non-native speakers are among the fastest growing student populations in the state. Educators need to become conversant - and quickly - in the best techniques to teach them" Catering to illegals above our own childrens needs.
Myd Nevins September 26, 2011 at 07:00 PM
I think thats a fairly fitting word in context to his remarks.
Myd Nevins September 26, 2011 at 07:01 PM
Cite your references on the 80-90%. Conspiracy websites and tabloids not included.
Jim Rizoli September 26, 2011 at 07:04 PM
Jim Rizoli David.....how do we handle an American drug dealer who has five kids and he uses the money to feed his family? He gets caught....do we forget the whole thing an say...Hmmmm he needs the money to feed his family. Do we send him to jail? Is it really that complicated. You break the law you do the time, simple. if illegals are here and get deported their kids should go with them....they are a family right? But wait.....lets have the illegal drug dealer and family move in with Dave and Bob. Yeahhh......that will solve the problem. Let all the liberals take all the illegals in. Thanks Dave for your compassion and understanding You see Dave and Bob....You fellas are compassionate and understanding as long as you don't have to pay the bill or go out of your way to help them. You have all the answers as long as they don't include you, and someone else is paying for it.
David Nolta September 26, 2011 at 07:09 PM
"bob and Dave think it's profiling to arrest an illegal who is breaking the law." I can't speak for Bob, but once again I am forced to remind you, Jim, that you have not the slightest idea what I think, though if you actually read and thought about my posts, you might begin to know. I am not against arresting lawbreakers, and I do NOT, contrary to your thousandth inaccurate accusation, think that "it's profiling to arrest an illegal who is breaking the law." I am against your conflation of "foreign" or "foreign-looking" with "illegal," I am against you or anybody deciding, based on looks or manners or language, who is illegal, I am against simplistic responses to complex problems (please consider my response to Mary Ellen, below), and I am against bigotry. But Bob is right, you simply don't take it in...
David Nolta September 26, 2011 at 07:23 PM
Well, Jim, once again it's all very simple if we listen to you. But you are now advocating DEPORTING FULLY LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS! Where will that end, I wonder? And your sad oversimplification of the world into the bad "liberals" and the good, presumably illiberals? non liberals? How are YOU paying for these problems and I'm not? I live in Milford, which is the specific subject of this debate. I have the shrine to Matthew Denice out my window--I saw that poor man after the accident. How can you be so insensitive to other people's feelings and experiences? How can you accuse people, over and over again, of stupidity, and in your snarky, sarcastic way (moving me in with a drug dealer? what a fantasy life you have!), pretend you have sussed them out? How can you pretend to know anything about anybody else in the world? But most of all, how can you be so thoroughly and consistently inaccurate? Mind-boggling!
David Nolta September 26, 2011 at 07:30 PM
But Mary Ellen, aside from calling me ignorant, you haven't responded to the question: "How do we handle the children of illegals, born in this country, who, according to the law, are as legal as you or I?" And this one: "How do we handle people who have fled here from the threat of starvation or violence--the latest in a long line of such people going back two hundred years?" Or wait! this one: "How do we recognize these illegals?". Your insulting me is no answer to these questions. One answer which I guarantee you the Town will not accept is that you and Jim become the mediators and magistrates. And as for my address, it's in the book. I do what I can, in my own small way.
bob nargi September 26, 2011 at 07:36 PM
mary ellen; once again you assume things that aren't tue,.. for your info i have four children ad seven grandchildren all of whom attended or are attedning public scholls here.. in addition, i have teachers in my family who deal with this every day.. and live to tell about it.. Do you have ANY clue how long it would take to deport every single illegal here . I do.. .. and here is the quote from none other than Tom Ridge, former head of Homeland security, who knows something about this issue. "Despite a record performance on deportations from ICE [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement] the past two years, at current rates it would take nearly 70 years to deport all of the estimated 11 million people living here illegally, even if not a single new illegal alien entered our territory. Attempting to deport everybody is neither feasible nor wise." "
bob nargi September 26, 2011 at 08:09 PM
mary ellen (with no last name) if you had done your research and not gone back to the fifties when this problem was just a blip.. you would have found the president who has deported more illegals than any other one.. you guess who that is....
bob nargi September 26, 2011 at 08:09 PM
my error !! you do have a last name apology in order here..
bob nargi September 26, 2011 at 08:13 PM
anda good Irish name who's great grandparents arrived on our shores to escape the great potato famine in their beloved homeland..
bob nargi September 26, 2011 at 08:25 PM
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/framingham/2009/11/adl_tv_host_town_official_busi.html
Myd Nevins September 26, 2011 at 08:32 PM
Good article.
Myd Nevins September 26, 2011 at 08:39 PM
ADL has another summary I was reading last week. http://www.adl.org/NR/exeres/7F918AE0-1EEB-4037-B83A-46C92344A4A7,DB7611A2-02CD-43AF-8147-649E26813571,frameless.htm
David Nolta September 26, 2011 at 08:40 PM
Dear Bob, Yet another piece of the puzzle. Thanks for the post, which is very enlightening, and softens, after all, some of the blows...
David Nolta September 26, 2011 at 08:49 PM
According to the respected British newspaper, The Guardian, more illegal aliens have been deported in the last three years than during any other presidential administration. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/29/obama-immigration-secure-communities And Mary Ellen, I'm sorry to ask again, but how do we handle the children of illegals, born in this country, who, according to the law, are as legal as you or I? How do we handle people who have fled here from the threat of starvation or violence--the latest in a long line of such people going back two hundred years? How do we recognize these illegals? This is a time when it is fun to have Native American ancestors, as I am happy to say I do: you should all go home!
Jim Rizoli September 26, 2011 at 08:55 PM
Jim Rizoli CCFIILE.COM So I guess it's time for the personal attacks! LOL I thought this was about illegal immigration? If you want to start a thread on the ADL I would be happy to oblige. but as I am one to abide by the rules here lets deal with the illegal immigration here. But again I'd be more than happy to talk about anything else. Mary ellen don't let these guys push you around. They lost the immigration battle so now they want to move on to something they think will unnerve me.....what they don't know is.......bring it on.
Jim Rizoli September 26, 2011 at 09:34 PM
Jim Rizoli CCFIILE. Thanks for the attention....Please go to my website and you will get all your answers. I have nothing to hide...LOL As you will see. But remember when you look into the info you're going to be faced with a "Crises of Conscience" Either you continue to spread the lies or you accept the truth.
Mary MacDonald (Editor) September 26, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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Mary MacDonald (Editor) September 26, 2011 at 10:30 PM
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mary ellen burke September 27, 2011 at 02:52 AM
The ACLU is also an anti American site that thinks protecting ones' country is blasphemy. They are disgusting and Eric Holder is another who in The Dept of Justice is suing Arizona for enforcing the law that is a mirror image of FEDERAL LAW.He also wants to stop the new voter ID law in Texas because he is all for Illegal aliens voting in the next election. If you agree with him then I have some swamp land in Florida you might be interested in for half a buck. Keep ignoring reality and keep dishonoring your country and the soldiers who fought for it. There are enough good folks who get the message and realize that this is a fight for the sovreignty of their country. You are NOT one of them .
Mary MacDonald (Editor) September 27, 2011 at 02:59 AM
Are you directing this comment at the editor? Just curious. Please keep the comments civil, and not directed at individuals, or they will be deleted.
David Nolta September 27, 2011 at 03:22 AM
Still waiting, Mary Ellen: How do we handle the children of illegals, born in this country, who, according to the LAW, are as legal as you or I? How do we handle people who have fled here from the threat of starvation or violence--the latest in a long line of such people going back two hundred years? How do we recognize these illegals on the street? And what if they're not in the street? What, specifically, are you advocating? Sealing the borders and then??? I confess I become more curious with your every post. And please explain how people who ignore YOUR reality, which doesn't match everybody else's, DISHONOR the soldiers who fought for this land. Surely one of the things that makes our country worth fighting for is our right to disagree without dishonoring anybody.
David Nolta September 27, 2011 at 03:30 AM
PS The ACLU is not a "site"; it is a non-profit organization founded almost a century ago to defend people's constitutional rights. How can that be disgusting?
Mary MacDonald (Editor) September 27, 2011 at 11:41 AM
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