POLL: Lying About Military Medals, Just Another Lie?

The U.S. Supreme Court this week decided to overturn a law that criminalized lying about military decorations, saying it's protected as free speech. Do you agree?

If you lie about your age or weight, or height, is that the same as lying about earning a Silver Star or a Purple Heart? The nation's highest court said this week it's the same, and protected as free speech.

The U.S. Supreme Court, in a split decision, overturned a California law that criminalized lying about military decorations, saying that the act was an unconstitutional infringement on free speech, according to a report in The New York Times.

The decision essentially says that a lie is protected speech, whether it's about war credentials or personal features.

The case arose from the prosecution of a man who said in a public meeting that he had received the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military award, after being wounded in combat. The statements were lies, his attorney conceded, but protected as free speech.

The trial court disagreed, saying he knew the statements to be lies. An appeals court overturned that decision, saying it was criminalizing any lie. The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday agreed, overturning the "Stolen Valor Act," finding to do otherwise would have a chilling effect on public speech.

Do you agree? Vote in our poll and share your opinion in the comments.

Brenda Crawshaw July 01, 2012 at 05:36 AM
For anyone in this thread who believes that quoting the bible brings their argument any legitimacy I direct you and anyone else interested how quotes can be misapplied in that document to here http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1560067/Letter_to_Dr_Laura_about_the_Bible_homosexuality_and_other_laws
Bill Mills-Curran July 01, 2012 at 01:23 PM
Westborough friends, We seem to have attracted some trolls (people who like to jerk your chain just to get a response) to this thread. I'd like to recommend simply ignoring them -- don't give them the attention they crave. Free speech is the cornerstones of the US Constitution. Whether the speech be a lie about military honors or be trolling and espousing outrageous opinions. Public opinion and community opinion carries quite a bit of weight, and that's a good thing. But, just because a person's opinion or lie is dispicable doesn't mean it should be illegal. If we cross that line, we endanger our invaluable freedoms. In the meantime, we're approaching the birthday of our nation. Celebrate your freedoms, thank a vet and say a prayer for those lost in service.
Stephanie Nugent July 01, 2012 at 01:49 PM
It's a crime to impersonate a police officer, it's a crime to provide a false name, it's a terminable offense if you lie on a resume but it's not a crime to impersonate a veteran? Its disgusting and appalling that the Supreme Court gives such little thought and respect to those who fought and continue to fight for our freedoms...including our right to freedom of speech. People all over this country are purchasing bogus medals and falsifying military records to gain access to benefits, services and good will bestowed upon veterans. Stealing money and valor from those who truly deserve it, taking resources from those who have earned it and deserve it. They are thieves, plain and simple. We should be ashamed that this country will not protect those who protect it.
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 03:43 PM
Brenda....Nice to see your interest in the matter. The only problem is you quote the Hebrew Scriptures which only applied to the Israelites (Jews) at the time. Not to say the spirit of those laws are not not important but the tie in to Christians is not applicable today. Romans 7:6 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Christians are under a New set of rules....which are summed up pretty easily here... Love God and Love your neighbor. Mark 12:28-31 28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.” Not to say there aren't other things to consider....Like Moral issues i.e. marriage, homosexuality, war, and others which the Bible is pretty stead fast on. I Corinthians 6:9-11 please read what God is against .... Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 04:09 PM
Oh, I forgot......In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 God doesn't take to well to lying either. I would think that would put this whole topic on lying to rest......right? Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 04:46 PM
U.S. Law.......Ya right. They had laws condoning slavery. They put innocent Japenese people in prison during WW2..... How about the law Blacks couldn't sit in the front of the bus, or drink at white water coolers, or play on certain sport teams. Yup....The U.S. Govt has made plenty of LAWS, or didn't enforce the laws that were against such vile things. Now they have gone the opposite direction.....Killing is good, free speech is bad. Having sex with anyone and anything is good for you. Lets kill some babies! This Govt. is where it is today because they REFUSE to apply God's Law. All Govt's will answer in the end as will all mockers. Dan. 2:44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. Jim@ccfiile.com
David Nolta July 01, 2012 at 05:07 PM
I am delighted to see that one of the Rizolis is against killing babies, on Sunday, July 1, 2012.
Linda Worthy July 01, 2012 at 05:25 PM
Let's just stop responding to the Rizoli. Nothing anyone can say will change the Rizoli. The Rizoli is entitled to unlimited free speech. No one has to read or respond to the Rizoli on this or any other comment ever again.
Joe Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 05:30 PM
David N, if I got a lawyer he'd have a field day with your comments.  Always looking for the witches test on the Rizol's but finding none.  If you lived during the Salem witch trials you would of been one of the accusers. False accusations, lies, and now falling on the ground in convulsions giving everybody a good show. You give a great story David but where's my witches pole? Where is my "spectra" David? Where? Only in your mind. It's really nice having the "shadow" follow us in every post we make no matter what the topic.  David has to come out with his "spectral evidence"  of nonsense, he has to tell the world how the Rizol's think. I don't need you David, I'll speak for myself, thank you. If any of you want a discussion about any topics that David seems to like to discuss on the Rizolis you can email me  Rizolitv@gmail...........com Our latest cable show is on our website at CCFIILE.com under Rizolitv , surprise, show # 12 was on the Salem Witch trials and Framingham Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Linda...What is the "Rizoli"...is it some disease? LOL Are your OK? Considering that you don't want anyone to respond to us you sure are responding to us. Dave....What is the killing babies comment about? I think the heat is getting to some of you. Instead of eating Chips you should try some some cold ice cream. Jim@ccfiile.com
Joe Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 07:17 PM
Linda tell that to David N.  Linda, what if I said everyone to not to respond anyone posting here who was Jewish? Or Catholic? Or Muslim?  You make the Rizolis seem so powerful and dangerous. Why, because we can think? Imagine, educated people here, some probably highly educated, and you can't compete with the Rizolis who only graduated high school. Not saying much about any of you.  Finally, why does this always turn Into a Rizoli thing?  Why? Because David N starts the witch trials going again, and again and again against the Rizolis, he doesn't stop. Talk to him not us.  David's become the Patches own Malleus Maleficarum. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum Joe Rizoli
Myd Nevins July 01, 2012 at 07:18 PM
Public opinion of the Rizoli's was established long ago. Just as is their opinion of us has been. Lets try to keep this commentary focused on the article.
Dan Fredonia July 01, 2012 at 08:21 PM
I would like to thank BOTH of the Davids for the valuable service that they provide to the Patch communtiy...namely, to quash and squash the Rizolis and their ever so ignorant and childish comments! Both of you deserve to be held in such high regard for verbally counter-punching these two nit-wits into the ground. I especially loved it one time when one of the Davids (Nolta i think?) decided NOT to directly respond to Joe (i think? whatever...they both share the same brain so that basically gives them about 60 IQ points each) and he responded In a calm manner to the rest of the audience.....i'm willing to bet that that action probably p#ssed Joe off much to my delight! Sorry Jim and Joe...but when these two go at you, you guys look even more inane and pathetic than before.....and we are all laughing it up....or as YOU would like to say Jim, "LOL"!!!
David Nolta July 01, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Thank you so much Dan! It is so nice to know your work is appreciated! And thanks to Dave L., too, who covered a lot of bases yesterday. I do think, after all, that Myd and Linda are right. So I guess it's back to "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" for now. But expect me when you least expect me...
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 09:08 PM
Like we're worried about you guys and your opinions of us. Dan, nice to see another hand slapper coming into the picture. No debate in what we say just, personal attacks. Ya....that's something to be proud of. How about sticking with the topic as best you can and not the personal attacks. Ya...but that wouldn't be as much fun for you guys. Talking about pathetic... Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 09:21 PM
The topic was for all those that missed it, lying. From what I can see most here seem to have no problem with it while a few seem to understand the moral and social implications. We have presented the Bible's view but as usual the God haters have done the best they could to derail the topic. No surprises here. Jim@ccfiile.com
Joe Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 09:25 PM
What is the topic here people? The Rizolis or falsifying medals and lying about it? Maybe the Patch owners can bring this back to reality. Maybe the children in their Wolfe pack can come back out if their feeding frenzy, you know kinda like the Salem witch trial accusers? They are falling all over themselves now. Hey, if you want to talk about all of this our phone number is on the CCFIILE.com web site. I'd be more than happy to take your phone calls. Problem is you people don't have the ethics to call or state your case personally but through insults, slander and "spectral" nonsense evidence. We are just laughing at you all. You make great entertainment. Then again your cult leader told you not to respond to us, oh, oh seems she is not being listened to. Naughty naughty hehehehe As to lying about this medal situation, more of you veterans should make your complaints known to your state reps. Numbers and phone calls do make a difference Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 10:00 PM
David....No lies just the facts! No, the Bible doesn't tell us to love everyone. It says Love what is good, HATE what is bad.....If you're doing bad things you're in big trouble....sorry! In regards to presenting our views in a public setting....Hmmmm, having two cable shows isn't enough for you? Having a You Tube site up with over 250 videos isn't enough for you. Having another site with over 300 hour or so videos isn't enough for you. How many videos do you have? I think we're in the publics eye quite a bit. Oh, did I mention my website.......some great links there. Tonight 11pm. cable TV for Rizoli TV if your interested. Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 10:16 PM
David....You don't even rate in the same class as us when it comes to video...LOL Save your Kodak Instamatic for another day. When you put together a video with some good substance to it then we will talk. Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 10:32 PM
David.....That's about your speed in videos.....a talking dog...LOL Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 10:44 PM
David...Really now....A baby spitting out snot will have a billion hits. What does that tell you about the people watching that stuff. I bet you watch wrestling too! The hits on youtube shows what's important to people. Pretty sad if you ask me. Want to watch good videos go to my website. Oh, I forgot Dave, you like the ones with animals. Next will be insects. jim@ccfiile.com
Dan Fredonia July 01, 2012 at 10:53 PM
It's amazing when the Rizoli's pour out their drivel and when they get pushback from people who are clearly more intelligent and articulate than they are, they spout out "libel" and "slander" and play the victim instead of manning up....hmmmm...maybe they are indeed the "gurlymen" and are "mamby-pamby" that they talk about. Yep......WE'RE STILL LAUGHING AT YOU, RIZOLIS! LOL
Dan Fredonia July 01, 2012 at 11:01 PM
Joe, you said, "Maybe the Patch owners can bring this back to reality. Maybe the children in their Wolfe pack can come back out if their feeding frenzy, you know kinda like the Salem witch trial accusers?" What ON EARTH are you blabbering about anyway??? Can you at least form a coherant sentence??? And are you equating yourselves with the Salem witch trial victims? You two are NOT victims. Your ignorant comments are the "chickens coming home to roost" and boomeranging back in your faces! STILL LAUGHING
Dan B. July 01, 2012 at 11:05 PM
You all should really just exchange e-mails. This is ridiculous, and I move for the comments to be disabled on this post.
Joe Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Dave gets away with saying; >> You are not worth even being called human anymore! I scrape stuff like you off my windshield>> Dave have you read the Patch terms of use policy? <<We understand that everyone has different opinions, but Patch will make the sole determination as to whether Content is acceptable for the Service. (Someone has to be in charge, right?) Without limitation, you agree that you will not post or transmit to other users anything that contains Content that: is defamatory, abusive, obscene, profane or offensive;>> Contemplate Dave your comments about the windshield as applying to any person Dave. That should not even be applied to an illegal alien, yet you applied it to someone on this Patch list You're really are out of control. When you come back down to earth maybe we can discuss a video of some kind. Apparently those listening here must like you comments and agree with you, right David N?  Joe Rizoli
Jim Rizoli July 01, 2012 at 11:07 PM
The wolf pack is back! How about getting back on track with this article. Jim@ccfiile.com
Myd Nevins July 01, 2012 at 11:20 PM
Myd Nevins July 01, 2012 at 11:23 PM
We have to remember this article is crossposted to other Patch towns. I don't see why they, or even my town, should have to deal with Framingham's two jesters.
Kira Gagarin July 01, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Agreed. This is on the Patch home page and is embarrassing, as a community. Seems like Susan is enjoying this beautiful weekend, I suggest everyone who has been bickering on here for the past 2 days to do the same the next time around.
Danielle Horn July 01, 2012 at 11:59 PM
OK - I'm going to shut down comments here. Thanks to all of those who have stayed on track. Please, please, please obey the pool rules; it's good for everyone!


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