Chief: Police are to Protect 'Every Person'
A Milford church with a predominantly Latino congregation hosted a forum Thursday featuring Police Chief Thomas O'Loughlin, who emphasized that he expects police officers to protect all residents.
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A forum on immigration, featuring the Milford police chief, drew a mixed group of longtime residents and recent immigrants to Freedom Life Church Thursday, for a "peaceful dialogue" on a politically charged issue.
More than 50 people attended the forum, including the families of Matthew Denice and Richard Grossi, two Milford men who were killed in collisions with drivers who, police say, were illegal immigrants.
The meeting was organized by pastors Hector and Monsi Quinones of Freedom Life Church, which draws a predominantly Spanish-speaking congregation to its downtown services. Addressing the audience, Hector Quinones said the purpose was "to take a moment to have a peaceful dialogue. This is an important night. It's necessary."
The forum had been expected to draw larger numbers of attendees from the Ecuadorian community, but only a few appeared. Hector Quinones said "there were some concerns from a certain portion of the Ecuadorian community of how they would be received, or how their presence would be interpreted here."
Police Chief Thomas O'Loughlin, who was invited to speak by the church, addressed several questions, including some that focused on Secure Communities, and relations between the police department and the immigrant communities in Milford.
"My responsibility is not to enforce immigration laws," O'Loughlin said. "That's the responsibility of the federal government. It's not a local or a state responsibility, it's a federal responsibility."
Local police, he said, as best they are able, are required "to assure the safety of the people of Milford and their property. That's every person."
Although no one has made a specific complaint, O'Loughlin said he has learned, through media outlets, that some of the Ecuadorians living in town have experienced harrassment in recent weeks.
As he explained, someone shouting out a window "Go home!" is using speech protected by the First Amendment. If that person yelled "Go home or I'll beat you up," O'Loughlin said: "That's illegal."
Police are aware of the tension, he said, and encourage anyone with a problem to contact them. The department has officers and detectives who speak Spanish and or Portuguese. Attending the forum, with O'Loughlin, was Carlos Sousa, a detective fluent in all three languages.
For the most part, people attending the forum listened without asking questions. Among those who did was an Ecuadorian construction worker, Jonathan Leon. He referred to the case involving Nicolas Guaman, an Ecuadorian who is charged with several offenses relating to the Aug. 20 death of Matthew Denice.
Leon, through Monsi Quinones, acting as an interpreter, told Chief O'Loughlin that what his countryman did "is something that is making it very difficult for those of us who are Ecuadorian" and who love this country. He asked the chief why there appears to be "an increased number of pullovers" for those who appear to look Ecuadorian.
O'Loughlin cited a four-year span in statistics showing no increase since the death of Denice in police issuing citations for people driving without a license. "The numbers don't bear out the perception," O'Loughlin said.
Officers can pull people over if they have probable cause that a violation has occurred. But the vehicle stops are not being done based on ethnicity, he said, or people's appearances.
"I could stand out here on this corner, for eight hours a day," and if I pulled over every driver who I thought was Ecuadorian and driving without a license, O'Loughlin said: "We'd probably have a road block. It's not done."
Jim Rizoli
2:36 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
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Sad to see the Chief having to more or less apologize to these criminals.
What he should be saying to the is...You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for coming here illegally and doing the things your doing.
These illegals and their sympathizers don't want to think it's them that is the problem but the Americans. Imagine that! They illegally come here, use false documents (a felony by the way) drive illegally and We're the problem for taking them up on it.
The police should be embarrassed because of what the town has turned into.
An illegal alien sanctuary town town, (just like Framingham), but more dead people because of it.
bob nargi
7:00 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
Have you cleaned up Framingham yet, Mr Rizoli?.. If not, I would suggest you stick to your town.. You seem to be taking over these discusssion and aren't even a resident here..as i have been my whole life.. and I see nothing positive coming from you but hatred of other races...amen
bartlebee
7:25 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
bob nargi, "illegal alien" is not a race.
Chilimaker
7:20 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
Bob - hopefully you are not wasting your breath here - but I have said it before and he is back now with more of a vengence -posts on EVERY article - I agree with you 110% - ENOUGH!!!!! Let the residents of Milford debate their own issues and have their own discussions! PLEASE!
Jim Rizoli
8:29 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
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Bob...
Gee, I thought this was a free site for everyone? Does it really matter what town your from? You're more than welcome to come to the Patch in Framingham, I have no problem you commenting there.
I wouldn't be too proud of your town. Sad to say my town is lost and so is yours.
When the police dept has start apologizing to the illegals than I would think the war has been lost.
So you really think illegals are a race? LOL Pretty interesting!
So how am I showing "hatred" for other races? I'm against illegal immigration not a particular race. Hopefully your smart enough to understand that.
bob nargi
9:19 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
if they are not a race... just what are they? we ALL beling to a racenot of our choosing.... I happen to be Italian.. as i assume Rizoli is.. but i feel a hatred oozing out of him and when he zaps me with that 'smart enough' comment you can see he feels he's the "master race" . i only have 16 years schooling and 79 years in this town.. 30 of which I was in busines dealing with all sorts of "races" and found out you cant judge a whole class by one person..We have enough intelligent people here wiithout bringing in rabble -rousers from Framingham .you didn't do a very good job there it seems..
mary ellen burke
9:29 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
They are an invading army, aided and abetted by people like you who are stealing from our children and grandchildren. It's not about race, it's about the sovreignty of your country. You are a riot-you don't want rabble rousers from Framingham but you are okay with the rabble from latin America , the middle east and china and anywhere else around the world. Do you even realize how ridiculous that sounds? If it weren't so tragic it would be hilarious!
Mary MacDonald
10:18 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
I taught seventh grade last year. And I was always trying to get the kids to be nicer to each other. And I wondered, at that time, because I didn't remember it being so tough when I was a kid, why they said the things they did. And sometimes I read the comment stream, and it becomes all too clear why the kids are mean to each other... I see people attacking each other constantly on this site now, and it's a form of bullying. And it's sad. People shouldn't have to defend themselves here. And I think people are getting sick of the tone of some of these comments.
Jim Rizoli
12:02 am on Saturday, September 24, 2011
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Seems like all the attacking is coming from those that are defending the illegal aliens. Show me where WE the American Patriots are acting badly here?
If people are getting "Sick" of the tone than they should change the station and listen to something else.
We have a perfect right to say how we feel about our towns don't you think?
If people aren't mad then they don't care. If anyone is being bullied it's we the American Patriots.
If We defend ourselves is that considered bullying too? I don't think so....
Myd Nevis
12:57 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011
No one here has supported illegal aliens. No one here other than a handful of nuts are supporting you either. You are entitled to your opinion. I'm not arguing that. We however are entitled to distance ourselves from extremists like yourself who seem more hellbent on causing disrest in society than actually solving the problems.
You claim not to be racist yet run an anti-semite website. And you want us to respect you?
You say that if you aren't mad then they don't care. Seriously? What an awful way to go through life being filled with constant hate.
You aren't an American Patriot. America is better than your beliefs. Milford is better than your beliefs.
Luke W.
11:32 am on Saturday, September 24, 2011
Just so everybody knows, these aren't the Milford Rizoli's.
bob nargi
11:59 am on Saturday, September 24, 2011
Point is Mr. Rizoli, this is NOT your town .( as you seemed to indicate in your last post by saying "OUR towns").. and yes ,Luke I know most all the Rizolis in this town.,.. and all good people.. Mr. Louis Rizoli was a fellow druggist here for many years, and I respected him..How can you characterize yourself an " American Patriot" as compared to whom? Me?
Jim Rizoli
12:37 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011
Bob....My dad grew up in Milford, my Uncle Eddy still lives there, and my cousin Peter is a cop there.
So I do have a tie to the town. I guess that is not good enough for you.
Again this all has to do with free speech and anyone can comment here, where you're from shouldn't matter as long as we're contributing to the conversation.
Just because you don't like the conversation isn't the issue.
bob nargi
12:48 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011
Problem is, Mr. Rizoli, you tend to be condescending toward others as if you and you alone are the authority.. and people don't like that.. here or anywhere You also read people's minds such as :"you dont like the conversation",,, I never said that,.I have ties to Framingham .. Worked there for nine years on Union Ave and knew many people there including a Rizoli..Was many moons a go.. I don't go on their blogs and tell them what to do and how to do it..Develop a little humility and maybe some respect as well. Who knows? You just might like it..
Jim Rizoli
1:28 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011
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Bob.....Show me where I'm condescending? I'm a person that states facts, if you don't agree with the facts that's not my problem. I'm well read and know what's going on out there so I am not afraid to saying something using my real name. Most people don't have the time and energy to do the research and that is why people don't particularly care for me. If anything they should learn from me.
Yes, I'm sure of myself because I do my homework. Is that a bad thing.....NO....
I will take anyone on who has a differing opinion because I'm that convinced in what I'm saying is true.
Could I be wrong on some things...You bet...but I will stand corrected if the facts are shown I am wrong. That is a sign of humility, not haughtiness.
I'm here to see if we can solve some problems....the problem is, most are not listening.
If people want to make this a personal issue so be it....but one thing is for sure...what I'm saying is true and if we don't change the way we're dealing with them we are sunk.
bob nargi
1:47 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011
just your tone right there tells that you are condescedning,.. I too look up the facts on all these false e-mails that come through my mail . you are not the only one that's well read here..but you seem to think so.. You are a demagogue and I will stop my wasting my time as Chilimaker told me on Friday and I copy his post..'Bob - hopefully you are not wasting your breath here - but I have said it before and he is back now with more of a vengence -posts on EVERY article - I agree with you 110% - ENOUGH!!!!! Let the residents of Milford debate their own issues and have their own discussions! PLEASE[' ....let's have an amen to that..
Jim Rizoli
7:58 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011
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Bob.....Over and out...Sorry to see you go.
mary ellen burke
11:34 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011
If those upset with facts represent the best of Milford it is easy to see why it is a sanctuary city. Sad pitiful legacy of people who do NOT value their country or culture.
Jim Rizoli
12:50 am on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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Mary Ellen....You got that right!
What I have found out in life doing all the investigation that I do on many different subjects is.... people are more apt to believe the lie than the truth because the lie is easier to believe. There is more thought process in believing the truth because you have to really understand the matter yourself before you can comment on it.
When you do have a good understanding of it and let others know about it some will get mad at you and say your condescending, haughty, etc etc....when truth be told you're just doing what every person should be doing.
David Nolta
1:39 am on Sunday, September 25, 2011
It's too humid to go to sleep, as I should, so I check in here, and what do I find? Squabbling! Oh well, here's my squabble: I agree with the police in following their directive to protect every person without exception. As for people who heckle strangers--based on their looks, or the language they speak, or assumptions about whether or not they are here legally--that may or may not be exercising free speech, but it is most definitely bad behavior. I wish, rather than focusing exclusively on who has a right to be here and who doesn't, we could pay a little more attention to how we treat one another when we're in this town. For example, for the second week I am forced to confront the same heaps of garbage--including large pieces of broken glass--on the lawn in front of a house down the street on Bancroft Avenue. I told the police and the officials at the Town Hall about this situation, which I think is a dangerous one, on Wednesday, September 14. I frankly don't care WHO has made this mess, and I certainly don't care WHERE they are from, or how they got here. I care about getting the mess cleaned up before somebody gets hurt. And rather than arguing about who really "knows the truth", and judging people based on their looks or what we assume about them, I think we should be trying to solve these very real, concrete, problems and clean up this town! A town famous for the way all of the people in it treat each other well, AND obey the law, too, of course.
Jim Rizoli
2:48 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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What does this have to do with Mary Ellen?
Plus you're misinterpreting what I said...
I said men have been feminized by women and the environment (chemicals in the water) Even Soy...
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
and the decisions they are making are not coming from the headship principle.
Where did I say men are superior to women?
The headship principle is outlined in the Bible......
God, Jesus Christ, Man, Women, Children. See how simple it is.
I Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
So there you are, if you don't go along with it then that's your problem and you're going to have to answer to God for it.
I believe in the headship principle and if the man and women are doing their job correctly things work out just fine.
If you don't do what your supposed to do then things will turn out badly and the family will suffer..
One last important point about the Headship principle....Someone has to steer the car, there is only one wheel. That's why they make a car with one steering wheel.
Imagine if it had two?
David Nolta
6:18 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
Dear Jim,
Now we have another insight into what you believe. I respect that you believe it. Do you respect people who do not believe the same things that you believe? Who interpret the beautiful and ambiguous Bible differently from the way that you do? And people for whom the Bible is not the law book? And people for whom you are not its interpreter? In short, how big is your world?
mary ellen burke
2:48 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
The subject here is illegal immigration and THE LAW. Other views may differ between us all but the enforcement of the LAW is paramount to a civilzed society.
Contrary to the rest of the Davids post;" AND obey the law, too, of course". written by David above is Contrary to the rest of the his posts- Here we are talking about those who do NOT obey the law.
David Nolta
4:10 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
Whaaa?? You might want to re-phrase, because that last post about my posts does not read at all clearly! And just in case you have misunderstood any of my posts, I am very much in favor of obeying the law, and enforcing it, AND being compassionate and broad-minded, and accepting that most controversial problems are complicated, and demand patience and care (and yes, TAXES) if they are to be solved rather than merely talked about.
mary ellen burke
2:55 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
'Sheriffs ditch Gov., get tough on immigrants'
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0925sheriffs_ditch_gov_get_tough_onimmigrants/srvc=home&position=2
The only problem with this story is they got the headline wrong
It should read:
Sheriffs ditch Gov;get tough on ILLEGAL immigrants'
Makes a big difference.
Jim Rizoli
3:17 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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The Sheriffs actually have more power than the president.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan192.htm
Now if we could get them to use their powers we would be all set.
The problem is politics.....they are funded by us and funny things happen on the way to the market.
Mary MacDonald
4:53 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
For the millionth time, no name calling, no swears, no stand-in for swears, no derogatory terms, and thanks again. Those posts will be deleted. Thanks, all. Please reword and re-post.
Jim Rizoli
6:30 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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David....You seem like a nice guy....Here's the deal....I don't care what you believe
who you sleep with, what you political views are. I live according to what I found to be good advice, and you have yours.
If you or the other 6 billion people in the world don't believe in what I have to say fine. We're never going to agree on everything but we at least can have a say in what we do believe.
It all comes out in the wash....and I'll stand by my principles.
I'm not God, but I'll be more than happy to tell you what God says in his word the Bible, then you can do what you want with it. You can then fight it out with him.
bob nargi
7:30 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
I've kept quiet here but for lack of something else to do have read your rants, Jim, and come to get a picture of you and have decided you dont give a darn about making this a better world. You just want to work people into a lather and you love it.."Ferminazi' is Rush Limbaugh's word. so I at least know your icons... but I'm surprised Mary Ellen allowed you to demean women as you did.. She must really love you or your message but those days are gone here .. the Muslims treat their women that way not the Americans. You seem to be a bitter person.. and will jump in from time to time but for now that's my opinion and, as you say, it's my privilege to give it..
Jim Rizoli
8:28 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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Bob....Welcome back....I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh....or any of the conservative radio people. They are not radical enough for me. They are more concerned with their jobs. If they spoke about the subject matters that I talk about on my website they would be off the air. I really have no icons but will give a nod to those whom I agree with on some issues.
I don't agree with a lot of people 100% but will take the good I get from them and use it. Seems like some of you folks here like to throw out the baby with the bathwater. You disagree with me on one issue and everything else I say is wrong too.. I don't buy that way of thinking... too close minded.
This isn't a war between Mary Ellen and myself. In fact she seems to be a very gracious person and is keeping neutral, and is only concerned about the illegal immigration issue here as she should be as this is what the topic is about.
The fact that you and some others are dragging other personal issues into this seems like the real issue with you. You might want to try to separate the issues according to topic on hand. I'm not a bitter person, just tells it like it like it is.
I love what is good hate what is bad....that's what the good book say to do.
In regards to making the world a better world....I think the world is too far gone morally, spiritually, and economically, and the battle has been lost. I still don't give up though because that would be a defeatist attitude.
Shannon Pataky
9:00 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
Bob - trust me, I want to say some rather unbuddhist type things to him, but what joy will that bring me? Save your energy. He's obviously in need of some attention.
Everyone else - I respect your views on this, however... Our culture has been created by a mixture of other cultures. While I don't want to pay for people to live freely (and illegially), I do want our community to continue to grow and allow diversity. I have great respect for this town, I've lived here most my life. I'm proud to send my kids to school with such a wonderful mixture of cultures, I believe with the proper outlook, they will be well rounded and honestly see people for who they are, not what they believe or where they are from or the color of their skin.
Before everyone gets upset with me, please keep in mind that Matt Denice was a close friend of my brothers, and I have whole heartedly felt for him and his family. But this ONE man can't define a nation. We can't allow other people to push people looking for a better life away from our town because of his bad choices.
I'm glad they are pulling more people over. I want to see more check points set up. I want MORE reports of other people in town calling in drunk drivers (which I have seen more reports from residents). Because no matter how much I don't want to pay for people to live off our community (and that goes for citizens just the same), I want to never lose a loved one to drinking and driving more.
Jim Rizoli
9:23 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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Shannon...At least we're on the same page with the illegal immigration problem.
We are.. aren't we?
Shannon Pataky
9:43 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
Jim, I know lots of people who weren't born here, and becoming a citizen isn't simple, nor cheep. I fully undertstand why they do it. I'm anti support people. I don't want to pay your rent, taxes for the school you send your kid to, food bill, or health (which i would be fined for if I didn't have). the american dream is to be worked for, not handed to you. That goes for people born here just the same. If your old or disabled, I'm cool with support. If you're just in a really bad spot and need some help, maybe for a year or two, that's ok. But if you live here fully expecting a free ride, I have a problem with it. And if you can't obey the rules, you desearve what the law hands to you, citizen or not. What that man did was horrific, and I don't want him deported. I don't want my children's classmates to be a target for hate because his mistakes either though. SADLY a lot of the people abusing the system are here illegally, but perhaps just as many are born here.
So, yes Jim, we do agree. I'm not as forceful with my opinions though, and wish that you would either lighten up or take your cause somewhere else. I understand your passion, and kind of respect it (at points). You are obviously semi intellegent, I wish that you could see how much anger you're bringing with some of these posts, not just yours, but others as well. leave the debate for your show... let the townies be townies in relaxing foram, please.
Jim Rizoli
9:57 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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Shannon....Nice response....
I understand where you're coming from. I'm a very forceful person because being nice doesn't work. Been there done that.....Time for a revolution! The reason why nothing has changed is because people are too nice (like you) That's not a bad thing just nothing will ever change. Time to throw the tea into the harbor and shake things up a bit.
The politicians like your way of dealing with problems because they know they just have to put you off a little and hopefully you will walk away.
In regards the Townies taking control......So far they haven't accomplished much and things just continue to slide downhill.
If three deaths in your town is the Townies taking control i hate to see how things would be if they weren't "in control"....
Peace!
Shannon Pataky
10:15 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
I said nothing of control, but thank you for noticing mine. I pride myself on being both level headed and respectful to others beliefs. I don't let my emotions get the best of me, and honestly believe you catch more flys with honey. A well-spoken polite person can be heard if they know what to say.
In respects to the townies (I like to think of myself as a townie), it's been a very emotional experiance. making this all a very sensitive subject. which also makes your force resisted. If you want to make a change, go beyond a town news sight. I don't understand how getting all these people upset is going to get them on your side. Be forceful to the right people. Be nice to the rest of us... we're just here to talk. And read the news. And once in a while we like to complain about stuff. Like crappy water, and torn up back roads.
mary ellen burke
10:34 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
And the hits just keep on coming!
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/illegal-immigrant-arrested-for-6th-oui-20110925
Jim Rizoli
10:39 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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Nice to see they have a handle on this. LOL
Thank God he didn't run anyone over. Now multiply this a few thousand times and you'll see that we have a BIG problem here.. Of course we wouldn't want to profile anyone because that would just get them mad.
David Nolta
10:46 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
If by profiling, you mean pre-judging someone based on the way that person looks or talks, then yes, we would be best not to do that.
Jim Rizoli
11:43 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
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David....Just to let you know at the Brazilian Consulate meeting the Brazilian fella said and I have it on video that " You can tell an Ecuadorian by the way he/she looks" So I guess he was profiling....LOL
Lets be honest.....all people have characteristics that show where we are from.
We all profile people whether you want to believe it or not. As long as you don't do it in a "Hateful" way profiling isn't bad.
David Nolta
11:55 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
Once again. Americans come from EVERYWHERE, so we do not look like we come from anywhere, if you see my point. To repeat, "if by profiling, you mean pre-judging someone based on the way that person looks or talks, then yes, we would be best not to do that." Thinking that someone looks like they come from somewhere else is one thing, and no doubt, partly instinctual and perhaps quite natural. But JUDGING someone based on that is not the same as speculating as to their origins. I simply don't see how anyone can "look" illegal, any more than they can "look" like child abusers or Catholics or librarians. And even if they did "look" like one of these things, or any other thing, it would be utterly unjustifiable to treat them unkindly because of this way they "look".
Jim Rizoli
1:32 am on Monday, September 26, 2011
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David......I was watching a movie the other night and it was about China....the Chinese man was asked if he could identify the American and the Chinese guy said NO, "They all look alike" LOL
Ecuadorians are small, have jet black hair, high cheekbones...So to identify them is pretty easy. Americans are a little harder IMO, but to the Chines fella I guess we all look alike.
People are who they are and you can't hide it. By the way who is saying anything about treating them badly? The only ones being treated badly are the Americans as they are being killed by the illegals.
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David Nolta
1:57 am on Monday, September 26, 2011
Oh dear Jim, So many people do exactly that--hide who they are. And I still don't see how anyone can "look" illegal. Or perhaps we are agreeing here, and there is no such thing as "looking illegal", just as there is no such thing as "looking legal."
Jim Rizoli
10:51 am on Monday, September 26, 2011
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David.....You might want to take that up with the Brazilian consulate fella who spoke at the town hall a few weeks back.....He knew who fit in and who didn't. The rest we can figure out.
David Nolta
11:25 am on Monday, September 26, 2011
Jim, Nope, not according to your account of what the Brazilian said at the Consulate--he claimed to be able to identify an Ecuadorean, not an illegal Ecuadorean. And what do you mean when you say "fit in"? And when you say, "The rest we can figure out," what does that mean? And who do you mean by "we"? You see, these are some of the important questions you raise, and I don't think they can be glossed over, nor winked at.
David Nolta
1:31 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Ooh Jim, there you go again--sneaking in an insult. But I recognize your pattern--and I guess I'm not the only one. "Most of these folks are illegal"? Most of what folks? Short people? What about the REALLY small people--the children born here, as legal as you or I. Have you thought this through? You want to extradite people who look to YOU, Jim, like Ecuadoreans, most (but not all!!) of whom are, according to YOU, Jim, illegal. What a funny world that would be, in which one person is the interpreter of the law, not to mention the Bible, and the diviner of illegals! As they say, not on my watch!
Jim Rizoli
2:02 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
David, I think you're losing it.....
Let me spell it out for you so you don't miss the point....
80%-90% of Ecuadorians, Hondurans, Brazilians ANYONE from South America, and don't forget Mexico are ILLEGAL. Those from Europe are another stroy because they come here by plane and have to go through more security checks.
ANYONE who is here from South America are most likely illegal.
They walk over the border and there are those that do come by plane also but those are the VISA over-stayers. That is against the law too you know.....They also are prohibited from working in the USA.
So that's my speal on that issue...and you can take that to the bank, but watch out there, you might bump into a group of illegals pulling their money out to send back home. They wouldn't want to spend their money here to help our economy...LOL
Myd Nevis
3:01 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Cite your references on the 80-90%. Conspiracy websites and tabloids not included.
mary ellen burke
2:27 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Anyone taking bets on this guys nationality?
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0926marshfield_manhunt_nabs_murder_suspect/srvc=home&position=4
mary ellen burke
2:31 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Immigration is not complicated and does not need new laws.
It just needs ENFORCEMENT of existing laws.
Have you taken a look at Britain since they opened the borders- perhaps you just didn't recognize it?Same with France, Holland and various other Euro debacles.
Keep your head in the sand until it directly impacts you beyond your pocketbook.
David Nolta
2:48 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Oh yes, immigration is complicated. For example, how do we handle the children of illegals, born in this country, who, according to the law, are as legal as you or I? How do we handle people who have fled here from the threat of starvation or violence--the latest in a long line of such people going back two hundred years? How do we recognize these illegals? You don't think that's complicated? It's complicated, and because living human beings are involved, justice demands that these issues be handled humanely and thoughtfully.
mary ellen burke
2:58 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Obviously they don't have children or grandchildren or the education they are receiving in schools overrun with competing languages would make them furious.
Language gaps plague Mass. schools
" Too many Massachusetts teachers are unprepared to teach students whose native language is other than English. The US Justice Department accurately sees this as a civil rights concern and is demanding that the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education do something about it........... "
"This problem isn’t going away. Non-native speakers are among the fastest growing student populations in the state. Educators need to become conversant - and quickly -"
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2011/09/25/language-gaps-plague-schools-more-teacher-training-needed/cZGAPWZpl4kXl8Bi7SnjzO/story.xml
"Too many Massachusetts teachers are unprepared to teach students whose native language is other than English. The US Justice Department accurately sees this as a civil rights concern and is demanding that the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education do something about it. It should, but the ultimate solution will lie with school systems and teachers making a commitment to training."
"This problem isn’t going away. Non-native speakers are among the fastest growing student populations in the state. Educators need to become conversant - and quickly - in the best techniques to teach them"
Catering to illegals above our own childrens needs.
Jim Rizoli
3:04 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Jim Rizoli
David.....how do we handle an American drug dealer who has five kids and he uses the money to feed his family? He gets caught....do we forget the whole thing an say...Hmmmm he needs the money to feed his family. Do we send him to jail?
Is it really that complicated. You break the law you do the time, simple. if illegals are here and get deported their kids should go with them....they are a family right?
But wait.....lets have the illegal drug dealer and family move in with Dave and Bob. Yeahhh......that will solve the problem. Let all the liberals take all the illegals in.
Thanks Dave for your compassion and understanding
You see Dave and Bob....You fellas are compassionate and understanding as long as you don't have to pay the bill or go out of your way to help them. You have all the answers as long as they don't include you, and someone else is paying for it.
David Nolta
3:23 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Well, Jim, once again it's all very simple if we listen to you. But you are now advocating DEPORTING FULLY LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS! Where will that end, I wonder? And your sad oversimplification of the world into the bad "liberals" and the good, presumably illiberals? non liberals? How are YOU paying for these problems and I'm not? I live in Milford, which is the specific subject of this debate. I have the shrine to Matthew Denice out my window--I saw that poor man after the accident. How can you be so insensitive to other people's feelings and experiences? How can you accuse people, over and over again, of stupidity, and in your snarky, sarcastic way (moving me in with a drug dealer? what a fantasy life you have!), pretend you have sussed them out? How can you pretend to know anything about anybody else in the world? But most of all, how can you be so thoroughly and consistently inaccurate? Mind-boggling!
bob nargi
3:36 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
mary ellen; once again you assume things that aren't tue,.. for your info i have four children ad seven grandchildren all of whom attended or are attedning public scholls here.. in addition, i have teachers in my family who deal with this every day.. and live to tell about it.. Do you have ANY clue how long it would take to deport every single illegal here . I do.. .. and here is the quote from none other than Tom Ridge, former head of Homeland security, who knows something about this issue.
"Despite a record performance on deportations from ICE [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement] the past two years, at current rates it would take nearly 70 years to deport all of the estimated 11 million people living here illegally, even if not a single new illegal alien entered our territory. Attempting to deport everybody is neither feasible nor wise."
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bob nargi
4:09 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
mary ellen (with no last name) if you had done your research and not gone back to the fifties when this problem was just a blip.. you would have found the president who has deported more illegals than any other one.. you guess who that is....
bob nargi
4:09 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
my error !! you do have a last name apology in order here..
bob nargi
4:13 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
anda good Irish name who's great grandparents arrived on our shores to escape the great potato famine in their beloved homeland..
bob nargi
4:25 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/framingham/2009/11/adl_tv_host_town_official_busi.html
Myd Nevis
4:32 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Good article.
David Nolta
4:40 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Dear Bob, Yet another piece of the puzzle. Thanks for the post, which is very enlightening, and softens, after all, some of the blows...
Jim Rizoli
4:55 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Jim Rizoli CCFIILE.COM
So I guess it's time for the personal attacks! LOL
I thought this was about illegal immigration? If you want to start a thread on the ADL I would be happy to oblige. but as I am one to abide by the rules here lets deal with the illegal immigration here.
But again I'd be more than happy to talk about anything else.
Mary ellen don't let these guys push you around.
They lost the immigration battle so now they want to move on to something they think will unnerve me.....what they don't know is.......bring it on.
Jim Rizoli
5:34 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Jim Rizoli CCFIILE.
Thanks for the attention....Please go to my website and you will get all your answers.
I have nothing to hide...LOL As you will see.
But remember when you look into the info you're going to be faced with a "Crises of Conscience" Either you continue to spread the lies or you accept the truth.
Mary MacDonald
6:10 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Please, a reminder: posts that attack people personally have to be deleted. Do not call each other names on this site. I have to delete those. I will include another post with the terms of use for comments as a reminder.
Mary MacDonald
6:30 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
I try to be consistent in monitoring the comments, but I'm not always here, hovering. Please take a second and review the general rules....
http://milford-ma.patch.com/terms
mary ellen burke
10:52 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
The ACLU is also an anti American site that thinks protecting ones' country is blasphemy. They are disgusting and Eric Holder is another who in The Dept of Justice is suing Arizona for enforcing the law that is a mirror image of FEDERAL LAW.He also wants to stop the new voter ID law in Texas because he is all for Illegal aliens voting in the next election. If you agree with him then I have some swamp land in Florida you might be interested in for half a buck. Keep ignoring reality and keep dishonoring your country and the soldiers who fought for it. There are enough good folks who get the message and realize that this is a fight for the sovreignty of their country. You are NOT one of them .
Mary MacDonald
10:59 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Are you directing this comment at the editor? Just curious. Please keep the comments civil, and not directed at individuals, or they will be deleted.
David Nolta
11:22 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
Still waiting, Mary Ellen:
How do we handle the children of illegals, born in this country, who, according to the LAW, are as legal as you or I? How do we handle people who have fled here from the threat of starvation or violence--the latest in a long line of such people going back two hundred years? How do we recognize these illegals on the street? And what if they're not in the street?
What, specifically, are you advocating? Sealing the borders and then??? I confess I become more curious with your every post. And please explain how people who ignore YOUR reality, which doesn't match everybody else's, DISHONOR the soldiers who fought for this land. Surely one of the things that makes our country worth fighting for is our right to disagree without dishonoring anybody.
David Nolta
11:30 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011
PS The ACLU is not a "site"; it is a non-profit organization founded almost a century ago to defend people's constitutional rights. How can that be disgusting?
Mary MacDonald
7:41 am on Tuesday, September 27, 2011
Good morning. I'm shutting off future comments on this thread. No, I am not monitoring at 2 a.m. and I will not start. I have deleted several posts that call people names. Despite numerous reminders, it's clear some people here will not follow the rules. In the future, I encourage readers to flag comments they find inappropriate. After a small number, they are removed from the site. Have a good day everyone.